Happy New Year Dubby. Not sure about that history though and whether it really matters unless Netanyahu is seeking to rally support. The history of the Mediterranean, like elsewhere, is full of tall tales, people pick out the bits of these that are suitable for them. The truth though is much harder to find but yes in the 7th and maybe 8th Centuries in the Levant a lot of Jews converted to Islam. So much so that the Romans thought that Islam was a Jewish religion. Earlier this whole area, from the Black Sea to the Red Sea (and out to Gibralta more or less) had been Greek. So the conversion to Islam had not been the first conversion in my view.
In regards to the now, the victims from October 8th have been the Palestinians which should ask questions of what happened on the day before as you have suggested. Further those around Netanyauh are making it known that the Palestinians can just be sent elsewhere, to Rwanda, to Europe to America. The Israel military has clearly been tasked to make their lives hell so as they'll agree to it. Israeli political hacks have estimated that the monetary cost can be handled mainly because Egypt (and Rwanda?) are poor. They consider it a once in a lifetime "opportunity".
Could we find allegories from 17th/18th/19th C America or Australia or New Zealand. I'm sure that we could, for example some European commentators around the late 19th C / beginning of the 20th C discussed the end of the Maori race albeit they wern't actively trying to make it happen by war but I'm sure that they were pursuing other policies to bring it about. Does this make what is happening in Palestine any better?
I believe the Neanderthals were the original (homo but not sapien) inhabitants of both Israel and Europe...
Good writing, and you make some excellent points. Me, I'm in favor of mixing everyone and stopping the separations that now exist in different "races"... I think there's ONE race of us bipeds: Human. But perhaps we're not sophisticated enough yet? I donut know, my lovely Dubby, but I abhor the way people treat each other when feeling one group is "superior" to another... Such a terrible history we all share regarding this kind of arrogant Fear of Other, as it were.
As for White Protestants, there's nothing in most of their spew that Jesus would have ever agreed with!!! And Jesus was a JEW, not a "Christian," and he didn't start Christianity, that was Paul and a couple others, which was then subsumed and re-directed by the Ever-Fucking Romans...
Anyway, you know I'm a collage-lover, in every sense of the word, and I know YOU and I love you, whether we agree on every tiny detail in life or not! I'm a dog, after all. I don't go by RACE, as it were, I go by SMED (sniff, sniff!).
Are you now or have you ever been a Trekkie? In the original series there was a story which I'm half remembering about 2 men, the last two from Planet Whatever who were chasing each other through the galaxy with utter hatred and the intent to kill the other. They were both vertically black on one side and white on the other. Captain Kirk, trying to supplant hatred with reason, told one of them, they were the last two people in their species and they should make peace. The hater replied that would be impossible. Hasn't he noticed? He was black on the left and the other, who needed to die, was black on the right. Someday that will be the completely insane Planet Earth.
Yes, indeed. I have the entire original series on my hard drive, which is now BACK and in use!
I disagree that it will come to that in the future, tho. We are slowly browning... ;) Not that we're particularly WISE about these things, but I do think what's coming soon will be a very useful teacher for everyone...
My reference to white Protestants was simply to compare the general reaction to when anyone other than a white Protestant commits an action that offends others. My son had rocks thrown at him when we were hating on Iran (the hostage crisis). He's not Iranian, he's Jewish but close enough I guess. More recently, Asian-Americans have been attacked because of the Wuhan lab leak as though just being Asian makes you guilty. Now all Jews, whether or not we live in Israel, whether or nto we actually have ever oppressed a Palestinian, are guilty nonetheless. That was the reasoning for my question as to whether people attack random white Protestants for the actions of others. In this country, no they don't. If you're part of the majority population, you're seen as an individual. Somehow with ethnic groups, however, we're all clumped together, all conveniently labeled, guilty as charged, the entire race or ethnicity held responsible for the actions of one or some. And if you'll excuse my attempt at humor, some of my best friends are white protestants. In fact, I believe my second husband was protestant. We never discussed religion.
Happy New Year Dubby. Not sure about that history though and whether it really matters unless Netanyahu is seeking to rally support. The history of the Mediterranean, like elsewhere, is full of tall tales, people pick out the bits of these that are suitable for them. The truth though is much harder to find but yes in the 7th and maybe 8th Centuries in the Levant a lot of Jews converted to Islam. So much so that the Romans thought that Islam was a Jewish religion. Earlier this whole area, from the Black Sea to the Red Sea (and out to Gibralta more or less) had been Greek. So the conversion to Islam had not been the first conversion in my view.
In regards to the now, the victims from October 8th have been the Palestinians which should ask questions of what happened on the day before as you have suggested. Further those around Netanyauh are making it known that the Palestinians can just be sent elsewhere, to Rwanda, to Europe to America. The Israel military has clearly been tasked to make their lives hell so as they'll agree to it. Israeli political hacks have estimated that the monetary cost can be handled mainly because Egypt (and Rwanda?) are poor. They consider it a once in a lifetime "opportunity".
Could we find allegories from 17th/18th/19th C America or Australia or New Zealand. I'm sure that we could, for example some European commentators around the late 19th C / beginning of the 20th C discussed the end of the Maori race albeit they wern't actively trying to make it happen by war but I'm sure that they were pursuing other policies to bring it about. Does this make what is happening in Palestine any better?
I believe the Neanderthals were the original (homo but not sapien) inhabitants of both Israel and Europe...
Good writing, and you make some excellent points. Me, I'm in favor of mixing everyone and stopping the separations that now exist in different "races"... I think there's ONE race of us bipeds: Human. But perhaps we're not sophisticated enough yet? I donut know, my lovely Dubby, but I abhor the way people treat each other when feeling one group is "superior" to another... Such a terrible history we all share regarding this kind of arrogant Fear of Other, as it were.
As for White Protestants, there's nothing in most of their spew that Jesus would have ever agreed with!!! And Jesus was a JEW, not a "Christian," and he didn't start Christianity, that was Paul and a couple others, which was then subsumed and re-directed by the Ever-Fucking Romans...
Anyway, you know I'm a collage-lover, in every sense of the word, and I know YOU and I love you, whether we agree on every tiny detail in life or not! I'm a dog, after all. I don't go by RACE, as it were, I go by SMED (sniff, sniff!).
;)
xo xo xo
Are you now or have you ever been a Trekkie? In the original series there was a story which I'm half remembering about 2 men, the last two from Planet Whatever who were chasing each other through the galaxy with utter hatred and the intent to kill the other. They were both vertically black on one side and white on the other. Captain Kirk, trying to supplant hatred with reason, told one of them, they were the last two people in their species and they should make peace. The hater replied that would be impossible. Hasn't he noticed? He was black on the left and the other, who needed to die, was black on the right. Someday that will be the completely insane Planet Earth.
Yes, indeed. I have the entire original series on my hard drive, which is now BACK and in use!
I disagree that it will come to that in the future, tho. We are slowly browning... ;) Not that we're particularly WISE about these things, but I do think what's coming soon will be a very useful teacher for everyone...
xo xo xo
If we survive as humans, perhaps it will make us wiser and unquestioning
Wiser, I do hope so! Unquestioning? Never me. ;)
I meant to say more questioning. Too many are already unquetiioning which is why we're in trouble.
Yesh, lol. I did wonder if that was a "typo." ^_^
Taking Dad to see Mom... I think of you every day, and OM you! xo xo xo
All white protestants?
My reference to white Protestants was simply to compare the general reaction to when anyone other than a white Protestant commits an action that offends others. My son had rocks thrown at him when we were hating on Iran (the hostage crisis). He's not Iranian, he's Jewish but close enough I guess. More recently, Asian-Americans have been attacked because of the Wuhan lab leak as though just being Asian makes you guilty. Now all Jews, whether or not we live in Israel, whether or nto we actually have ever oppressed a Palestinian, are guilty nonetheless. That was the reasoning for my question as to whether people attack random white Protestants for the actions of others. In this country, no they don't. If you're part of the majority population, you're seen as an individual. Somehow with ethnic groups, however, we're all clumped together, all conveniently labeled, guilty as charged, the entire race or ethnicity held responsible for the actions of one or some. And if you'll excuse my attempt at humor, some of my best friends are white protestants. In fact, I believe my second husband was protestant. We never discussed religion.
Thanks Nicole. Happy New Year!
I enjoyed the history lesson. I was unclear how to explain it, so thank you!
Very well said and written , love it.